a good high wind sail - Page 2

1st February 2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac33

i bought a tushingham rock 3.3m instead of 3.9m the fly. also had to buy second hand 370 mast x6 and small carbon boom to fit. good forecast 20/30 knots for tomorrow,can't wait. hope i use it more than a few times per year.

we can see your problem already...tush sails with np mast.
no wonder you're not going anywhere fast!
rig the proper mast i nthe proper sail and in 30k you can still handle a 6.3 slalom sail

PG · 2nd February 2010, 12:59 AM

I think a Tush sail on a NP mast actually can work quite well. These two brands anyhow have the flexiest mastops of the bunch.
My concern would rather be that a 3.3 is a VERY small sail, here in Finland you "never" see sails that small despite 70 kg guys sailing in 40+ knots of wind. But, it will be a good sail to change down to from the 3.7-3.9 that you eventually will get anyhow.

joe_windsurfer · 2nd February 2010, 03:57 AM

please keep us all informed of results :-)

IRL-250 · 2nd February 2010, 09:27 AM

Check out the KA Koncept here http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/sa...0_koncept.html

They make a 4.3m which is a great sail and would be perfect for you for sailing in 30 knots plus

Gestalt · 2nd February 2010, 08:35 PM

The Ezzy Wave Panther is a brilliant sail, very stable, huge wind range, fit any mast and is almost indestructible.

mac33 · 3rd February 2010, 05:05 AM

sailed my 3.3m rock today in river not ocean. on my kinetic 80 litre slalom board and 25 fin.

wind very gusty, graph shows hit 32 knots. in lulls around 10 knots.

for a one sail below 5.0m, the 3.3m is too small! a 3.7 to 3.9m would have been a better allrounder.

i managed to get it planing around the 20/22 knot mark.

powered up sailing around the 25 knot mark.

ideal wind for me[in flat water] with this 3.3m, i think around 28 knots.

was continually falling off plane as wind was gusty.

in lulls was losing around 5 to 10 knots of boardspeed. very frustrating.

in 30 knot gusts was fast and controllable.

sheeted out maybe 3 or 4 times in 2 hours of sailing.

only legs a little tired at end of sailing, a huge change from
sailing my 5.0m vapor in these conditions.

put gps on, best 3 runs around 30 knots. fastest was 30.3 knots.

a great sail to use in ocean where wind is consistent, in sheltered water forget it.

the 4.3m ka race sail probably my next sail to fill the gap.

overall not unhappy with my $1000 purchase for boom ,mast and sail.

for the first time ever i was actually enjoying sailing in 30 knots.

3rd February 2010, 01:03 PM

Yes the 3.3 is probably a wee bit small.
However, you've got it, you'll love and cherish it and it will last you many years !
You now need a 4.0.
I was in Perth for 3 weeks (20 years ago) with an Energy XR and just one rig (a 6.0 NP race-forgotten which one!). I was then about 80 kgs and I used it on the Swan, Freo, Cotto and Bunbury for some racing.
I cant remember ever being overpowered.
I've also been to Penghu where its regularly 35-50 knots.
Albeau and Bringdal went down from 5.0 race sails to 4.0 wave sails.
I finished up buying a 4.0 NP combat wave and was staggered at how stable it was.
Good luck ! You are in a great place.

3rd February 2010, 01:07 PM

Another thing........
When racing, remember the old adage "go big or go home"
Robby Naish once said " there is worse things than being overpowered" !

Jean-Marc · 5th February 2010, 05:04 AM

Mac33,

Since you've got a 370 cm mast already and live in Australia, you can get a 3 cambered Severne Overdrive 4.5 m2 slalom sail for example:

http://2009.severnesails.com/2009/pr..._overdrive.php

Or get a 2008 Severne 4 cambered Code Red 4.6 m2 sail (cheap close-out sales or second-hand):

http://2008.severnesails.com/

In very gusty conditions, a full-on cambered sail is much more stable under load than a no-cam wave sail. You'll be faster, keep full speed longer and cope a better balance with the unavoidable sudden gusts and lulls on your dedicated slalom board.

Cheers!

JM

2nd February 2010, 03:57 AM	#13
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2nd February 2010, 12:59 AM	#12
PG Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 234	I think a Tush sail on a NP mast actually can work quite well. These two brands anyhow have the flexiest mastops of the bunch. My concern would rather be that a 3.3 is a VERY small sail, here in Finland you "never" see sails that small despite 70 kg guys sailing in 40+ knots of wind. But, it will be a good sail to change down to from the 3.7-3.9 that you eventually will get anyhow.

2nd February 2010, 08:35 PM	#15
Gestalt New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8	The Ezzy Wave Panther is a brilliant sail, very stable, huge wind range, fit any mast and is almost indestructible.

3rd February 2010, 05:05 AM	#16
mac33 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: perth west australia sail swan river 3km wide Posts: 42	sailed my 3.3m rock today in river not ocean. on my kinetic 80 litre slalom board and 25 fin. wind very gusty, graph shows hit 32 knots. in lulls around 10 knots. for a one sail below 5.0m, the 3.3m is too small! a 3.7 to 3.9m would have been a better allrounder. i managed to get it planing around the 20/22 knot mark. powered up sailing around the 25 knot mark. ideal wind for me[in flat water] with this 3.3m, i think around 28 knots. was continually falling off plane as wind was gusty. in lulls was losing around 5 to 10 knots of boardspeed. very frustrating. in 30 knot gusts was fast and controllable. sheeted out maybe 3 or 4 times in 2 hours of sailing. only legs a little tired at end of sailing, a huge change from sailing my 5.0m vapor in these conditions. put gps on, best 3 runs around 30 knots. fastest was 30.3 knots. a great sail to use in ocean where wind is consistent, in sheltered water forget it. the 4.3m ka race sail probably my next sail to fill the gap. overall not unhappy with my $1000 purchase for boom ,mast and sail. for the first time ever i was actually enjoying sailing in 30 knots.

3rd February 2010, 01:03 PM	#17
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Yes the 3.3 is probably a wee bit small. However, you've got it, you'll love and cherish it and it will last you many years ! You now need a 4.0. I was in Perth for 3 weeks (20 years ago) with an Energy XR and just one rig (a 6.0 NP race-forgotten which one!). I was then about 80 kgs and I used it on the Swan, Freo, Cotto and Bunbury for some racing. I cant remember ever being overpowered. I've also been to Penghu where its regularly 35-50 knots. Albeau and Bringdal went down from 5.0 race sails to 4.0 wave sails. I finished up buying a 4.0 NP combat wave and was staggered at how stable it was. Good luck ! You are in a great place.

3rd February 2010, 01:07 PM	#18
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Another thing........ When racing, remember the old adage "go big or go home" Robby Naish once said " there is worse things than being overpowered" !

5th February 2010, 05:04 AM	#19
Jean-Marc TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,241	Mac33, Since you've got a 370 cm mast already and live in Australia, you can get a 3 cambered Severne Overdrive 4.5 m2 slalom sail for example: http://2009.severnesails.com/2009/pr..._overdrive.php Or get a 2008 Severne 4 cambered Code Red 4.6 m2 sail (cheap close-out sales or second-hand): http://2008.severnesails.com/ In very gusty conditions, a full-on cambered sail is much more stable under load than a no-cam wave sail. You'll be faster, keep full speed longer and cope a better balance with the unavoidable sudden gusts and lulls on your dedicated slalom board. Cheers! JM